The long back story of Aaron Sorkin, West Wing, Televisionwithoutpity and the "U.S. Poet Laureate" episode

UPDATE: For a clearer version of events, you can also see the timeline I drew up.
UPDATE: 11/29/07 ww_renaissance has posted the entire text of Aaron Sorkin's postings on Televisionwithoutpity. I've added just his emails below but she's got more stuff on her site.
UPDATE: 9/10/08 I've fixed some of the links to Twop's recaps which had changed.

I spend a lot of time on televisionwithoutpity.com. In fact I've been a member since July 2000. So I wanted to "preserve" for posterity a backstory to the TV show The West Wing and creator Aaron Sorkin's relationship to that website in the show's first three years. Especially since The West Wing is about to go off the air and the West Wing message boards on Twop (as Televisionwithoutpity is shortened) is going to pretty much disappear.

So if you're watched The West Wing in the third season there was an episode where Laura Dern plays...you guessed it, a U.S. Poet Laureate. The plot of this episode, which you can read a full recap here, is basically about the new U.S. Poet Laureate wants to use a special dinner in her honor to berate the fictional president about his stance on the landmine treaty. Toby, who has a crush on her, has to convince her *not* to make such an embarrassing statement (embarrassing for the President. I think he really oversells how "embarrassing" it would be to her).

It's not bad little episode. Certainly well acted. But then there's this little "B" plot which involved Josh Lyman, Donna Moss and a certain "fan" website.

Now you might have watched this episode and know nothing about Twop and the somewhat fractious relationship it has with Aaron Sorkin. It's a bit like looking at a Goya painting and knowing nothing about his relationship to the Napoleonic War. You can appreciate the "art" without knowing the backstory.

But for those of you who want to know from someone who was posting arount this funny little website back in 2000-01, here's where that "Lemonlymon.com" subplot comes from.

First Season, Sorkin as "Benjamin"

Back in the first season of West Wing, Aaron Sorkin and even Rob Lowe used to post on the Twop West Wing boards. Sorkin posted as "Benjamin" which is his middle name. I never actually saw the Rob Lowe's posts so I don't know what name he used, but other posters have told me about it. In any case Rob Lowe stopped posting long before Sorkin did, and I'm not sure he said anything particularly interesting in either case.

As to the nature of Sorkin's posts...they were pretty friendly but not too frequent. Pretty much after Sorkin posted, every time there would be a host of people asking "how do we know that's really Sorkin?" which is pretty usual for message boards. I always believed it was him because he did provide some spoiler information and occasionally added a little information about what he was thinking about particular scenes or plots. The only example of these explanations I remember distinctly is his response to a question I posed regarding "Someone's Going to the Emergency Room" where Toby confronts a bunch of WTO-type protesters. I was upset because Toby (nee Sorkin) swallows hook-line-and-sinker the theory that "free trade stops wars" which is so bullshit. [Among everything else that is false about that statement, the assertion that nations that trade together are less likely to go to war simply isn't true. We trade a lot with both China and Saudi Arabia and our relations are still quite fraught]. I took Sorkin to task for promoting that view and he added that there was originally supposed to another line in the episode where the cop guarding Toby makes a point about how the WTO doesn't have the power to enforce child-labor laws. The line was filmed but Sorkin said it was cut because the episode has to fill only so many minutes and even seconds and can't go over that. (That's kind of the language he used..."one of the problems of working in TV is that you have only 42 minutes and 13 seconds and can't go a second over that...")

Definitely in season one Sorkin was on the boards fairly regularly. Of course it was a "new" show back then, he was probably happy to talk to fans (and such intelligent ones). I don't want to overestimate the number of times he came on the boards...if he posted a total of 15 times that would surprise me. It was probably closer to 10 times.

Rick Cleveland and The Emmys

So here's were the problem starts. In September 2000 West Wing, and Aaron Sorkin and Rick Cleveland in particular, won an Emmy for writing the season one episode "In Excelsis Deo" where a dead homeless vet had a coat of Toby's. The episode is co-credited to writer Rick Cleveland (who's best known now for his work on Six Feet Under...so this man can write). At the Emmys Sorkin takes the mike and basically hogs it. Cleveland didn't even get to speak.

Days before the Emmy ceremony, people connected to the show said, Mr. Cleveland sent Mr. Sorkin an e- mail message saying that, if they won, he would like to say a brief word in honor of his father because the episode was autobiographical. Mr. Cleveland's father, a Korean War veteran, had spent the last years of his life as an alcoholic living in flophouses. Mr. Cleveland had lost touch with his father when he was 13. After his father's death, Mr. Cleveland had found that his father had numerous war decorations and sought to bury him in Arlington National Cemetery.

At the Emmy Awards, Mr. Cleveland was not given the opportunity to say a word by Mr. Sorkin. In fact, Mr. Sorkin conspicuously ignored him onstage. Mr. Sorkin said today that he forgot to thank Mr. Cleveland, just as he forgot to thank his wife.

But in an article for the Writers Guild magazine after the Emmy awards, Mr. Cleveland discussed the Emmys and chided Mr. Sorkin. "You might not remember me from that night," Mr. Cleveland wrote. "I was the guy wearing the little wire- framed glasses, standing directly behind Aaron Sorkin. I had a dumbfounded smirk on my face, and I imagine I must have looked like a member of Sorkin's security detail. When he was done speaking, he kind of ushered me offstage with him, and, dumbly, I followed."

Mr. Cleveland termed the Emmy episode "somewhat humiliating." Mr. Cleveland is now a writer on the HBO series "Six Feet Under."

Such churlish behavior didn't go unnoticed on the Twop boards. We commented on it. During a period when there were news reports about non-Sorkin West Wing writers getting stiffed of their pay raises some Twop posters, such as mjforty took Sorkin personally to task, as the Executive Producer, for the situation of his other writers. [updated to note, the full exchange between Sorkin and Cleveland on the Twop boards is reproduced below thanks to ww_renaissance.]

"I'm extremely disappointed in the producers of this show. And I think that Aaron Sorkin is getting off a little too lightly here." -- mjforty posted

Sorkin posts a reply:

"mijorty [sic], You got it wrong. It's understandable, but you got it wrong. On most TV staffs, stories are pitched, broken and outlined by a group, then assigned to the various writers on the staff, then polished by the show runner. That's not the way it works here. I write the scripts with the enormous help of a staff that provides research and kicks ideas around with me as well."

He also addresses what appears to be a snub of writer Rick Cleveland: When the two accepted an Emmy for an episode called "In Excelces Deo," about the death of a homeless Korean War Veteran, Sorkin delivered the entire thank-you speech while Cleveland stood by silently. Days before the ceremony, Cleveland reportedly sent Sorkin an e-mail saying that, if they won, he would like to pay homage to his father, since the episode was autobiographical. Cleveland's father, a Korean War vet, had spent the last years of his life as an alcoholic living in flophouses. It was only after his father's death that Cleveland learned he was war hero.

"[Cleveland] wrote a script called 'A White House Christmas' wherein the First Lady's cat trips a Secret Service alarm," Sorkin writes. "I threw out Rick's script and wrote 'In Excelces Deo.' Because Rick had worked for months on his, I gave him, rather than a 'Story By' credit, a 'Co-Written By' credit and put his name ahead of mine. For my script, he received a Humanitas nomination, an Emmy Award and a Writers' Guild Award. Every Emmy nominee gets a letter from Don Mischer, the producer of the telecast, very clearly saying that only one person is allowed to speak when accepting. Mijorty, nobody here's being persecuted or exploited. It's a good job."

Now I just have to say, I hate Mickey Kaus of Slate. Especially since he uses the line of reasoning "How weird is it that a big celebrity macher like Sorkin bothers to defend himself (and attack others) on what is basically a fan site?" (It's not basically a fan site, its not only devoted to West Wing, and Sorkin posted there a lot before this incident as I explained. Kaus seems to think Sorkin was demeaning himself by dwelling with us posters, something you might notice is a theme of the LemonLymon plot of "U.S. Poet Laureate." But Kaus does have a fairly decent rundown of the event and some of its meaning at that time.

So "Benjamin" nee Sorkin comes onto the Twop boards and basically disses Cleveland's writing ability. He implied that he had to throw out most of Cleveland's script because it was horrible ("he had a subplot about a cat" as if you can imagine was the subtext), and that he "gave" Cleveland co-writing credit only out of some kind of goodness of his heart.

This writing credit issue does not come out of nowhere. You may recall that up to about season 4 nearly all the scripts were credited either solely or partially to Sorkin. I think by season 2 there was already some grumbling that Sorkin was both a control freak but also an egotist who refused to acknowledge the work the other writer's contributed to the scripts.

Who knows what the real truth is...but I definitely recall that Wing Chun came on the WW boards and posted about how its not *Sorkin's* decision to dole out writing credits on a whim. The Writer's Guild (which I believe is the correct union) has very strict rules about assigning writing credits and no one should take Sorkin at his word that he just "gives" co-writing credits out as favors. (Which is pretty much what he implied on the boards...that he has a stable of "help" and he gives out co-writing credits on a rotation). Its in union contracts so if someone is co-credited it means something very specific.

Anyway Rick Cleveland (who only posts twice) comes on the board as himself (His user name was "Rick Cleveland") and basically defends his co-credit on writing "In Excelsis Deo." The one thing I specifically remember him saying was that the homeless-vet-with-coat story actually happened to his dad. So he was saying that it was more than just a subplot with a cat he contributed. The story was his, with Sorkin polishes and contributions.

Around this time the New York Post gets wind of Sorkin posting on what they call a "West Wing fan board" and how he was dissing writer Rick Cleveland and the Post publish a little bit of gossip about it. (This was long-held confirmation for some that Benjamin was indeed Sorkin because he confirmed it for the Post).

I will say that the Post and the few subsequent media outlets that commented on this incident really took the line that Sorkin was "demeaning" himself by posting insults on a fan board about one of his writers which why I see Donna's/C.J. reactions to Josh's fumblings on the Lemonlymon board as an insult. Because its essentially the New York Post's line of reasoning "Why is writer Aaron Sorkin hanging out on a fan site insulting his writers?" (removing the theory that Twop is a "fan-site"). If you want another good example of that attitude check out deborah's review of a long-ago Talk magazine article about this entire incident.

In any case I feel the C.J./Josh scene is probably a mini-recreation of what happened to Sorkin when the Post revealed his postings. Both Sorkin and Cleveland show up on the boards one more time to patch things up. Sorkin says his sorry, says Six Feet Under is a great show. Cleveland accepts his apology. Sorkin also says basically what C.J. says to Josh...that they're not "allowing" him to post anymore and they're monitoring his computer so he won't be on anymore.

That really bad third season of West Wing
Time passes. The third season happens. Here's where everyone's free to differ but I really think the third season is where the "fans" or just the Twop posters lost some of the love for the show. Recall that 9/11 happened, Sorkin got busted for drug use and also got a divorce. So it wasn't a great transition from season 2 to 3. Season 3 also started off with that really excretable episode "Isaac and Ishmael" which deborah the recapper really hated. The other thing I remember about that time period is I think this is where the "anti-female sexism" threads really took off. I think there was at least five incarnations of the thread because the mods had to keep locking them they got so heated. So anyway, I'm just laying the groundwork that the relationship between the recaps and the show and even many of the posters and the show had changed greatly from the happy worship of seasons 1 & 2 to season 3. Twop, and also deborah the recapper were a lot more critical of the product Sorkin was putting out.

So one day Sorkin out of the blue pops his head back on the boards. He makes a joke that they are changing his computer and so temporarily the locks are off on his Twop-posting but they will be back on in a "few hours." He basically spends the post thanking people who are happy with his work and saying to those who don't like it "well there are other things on TV to watch." He specifically says of deborah "She doesn't seem to like the show very much so I don't know why she watches." (Which Wing Chun, a Twop founder, pipes up...basically she watches because we pay her to do so, and deborah agrees..."if I wasn't being paid to recap...")

I think Sorkin posts about three times in this one reappearance. The last post saying:

I and everyone else here are, honestly, thrilled that there are these fan sites where strangers get together and talk about the show and like the show/don't like the show (I’d prefer if you liked the show) but you ought to disabuse yourselves of the notion that what we do is debate a point and then declare a winner. We're just telling our little stories and doing our lame jokes. And hoping you'll keep tuning in.

Which sounds harmless but when you consider that Sorkin is talking politics on his show and using real world examples he's not having discussions about nothing. I think Shack's recap rebutted this argument better than I can:

I want to give this whole episode an F based just on Tabatha's speech. The fact that I don't, I guess, is proof that I'm still willing to give Aaron Sorkin more leeway than I am others. I remember Sorkin making that comment about artists before, and it took putting it into the mouth of somebody who was supposed to be America's most influential poet before I realized how awful and wrong it is. A person who cares only about captivating his audience isn't an artist at all -- he's an entertainer. The truth is the foundation of every artist's work. An artist captivates his audience in the way he interprets the truth, even as he bends our perceptions of it to include impossible, supernatural elements, even as he sets it to music, even as he turns it inside out, paints it with the perspectives all out of kilter, and covers it in elephant poo -- even as he denies that there is even such a thing as truth. All the dead artists in the world are collectively spinning in their graves at the suggestion that, like Sorkin, they were all just telling their "little stories." Those little stories, and paintings, and plays, and symphonies, and poems, and yes, television shows have shaped every single culture on this planet, and in some cases, are all we have left of them. If Sorkin is afraid to be a part of that because he's afraid of getting it wrong, or afraid that people won't understand, or if he's just afraid to -- oh, I don't know -- grow a pair and take his critical lumps just like every other artist and learn from it, then fine. We lose a talented mind with an interesting view of the truth, and he loses the right to call himself an artist. But I will not just sit here and say nothing as he tries to drag the rest of the art world down with him. Hundreds of artists throughout the world and across time have been censored, imprisoned, exiled, and executed, and it wasn't because they were simply trying to "captivate" people. It happens because, to put it in Sorkinese, sometimes an artist stands up, too. And they accept the consequences when their perceptions of the truth get them in trouble because they were wrong, or more frequently, because they were right. And finally, nothing an artist produces is as captivating as the way he shows us his truth. Nothing.

I guess until Sorkin just reposted recently about John Spencer's funeral he never posted again after that incident but then there were two episodes that seem very Twop-centric about his interactions with Twop and just the fans in general.

First is naturally "U.S. Poet Laureate" which Laura Dern's final speech to Toby is a much-improved version of Sorkin's final post. Then there's Artic Radar which doesn't have to be Twop-centered necessarily but it probably about the total sum of Sorkin's relationship with his fans. It feels like it was written in the aftermath of U.S. Poet or his comments on the boards and the episode is Sorkin throwing his hands up saying "I can't deal with you guys, you're crazy." In "Artic Radar" there is a subplot where a White House temp worker wears a Star Trek pin. I'll quote from deborah's recap here:

Suddenly Josh hears Janice's voice saying, "I'm not obsessed, you know." Josh: "I'm sorry?" Janice: "I'm not obsessed. I'm just a fan and I care."

Josh asks her name again. She tells him. He comes into her cubicle and sits down next to her desk.

He says, "I'm a fan. I'm a sports fan, I'm a music fan and I'm a Star Trek fan. All of them. But here's what I don't do -- tell me if any of this sounds familiar: 'Let's list our ten favourite episodes. Let's list our least favourite episodes. Let's list our favourite galaxies. Let's make a chart to see how often our favourite galaxies appear in our favourite episodes. What Romulan would you most like to see coupled with a Cardassian and why? Let's spend a weekend talking about Romulans falling in love with Cardassians and then let's do it again.'"

Janice listens to all this with a slightly hurt look on her face. Josh lays down the law: "That's not being a fan. That's having a fetish. And I don't have a problem with that, except you can't bring your hobbies in to work, okay?"

So according to Sorkin all his crazy Twop fans are "fetists." Yet this is a man who wrote an entire show that was about shows where people that do nothing but talk about sports. Not play sports themselves, mind you. Talk about them.

Anyway that's the long history. Sorkin left in the fifth season, the show moves one. FYI, I don't think Sorkin's a *bad* guy but I do think he at least had a bit of an ego about himself and his show after winning so much praise in the first and second seasons (just read the recap to Two Cathedrals and see how much deborah used to love his work) and it must have been very hard to walk into your favorite place expecting nothing but praise and now getting criticism. Especially when you're a drug addict who was still in denial at the time. (Thank you Dr. Drew!) This is just in the nature of online communications and I imagine if you're going to produce creative work, let alone TV shows, you have to reach some kind of internal peace about dealing with criticism and/or online criticism. As Shack said "grow a pair and take [your] critical lumps just like every other artist and learn from it"

I do recognize this was now five years ago and not to mention that clearly 2001 was a *bad* year personally for Sorkin that he probably wasn't even in the best mental state that year. Those three episodes do sort of remind me collectively of "Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back" where they go across the country beating up people to wrote pissy message boards posts about them. This probably a very good reason WHY people who write TV shows shouldn't come to TV if they can't distance themselves from it (both the good and the bad).

UPDATE: I've essentially created a different version of these events, expanded a bit you might say, with a timeline. In the meantime I want to quote mjforty's post in the U.S. Poet thread because her memory is good and she was around during that period as well.

This is my problem with the lemonlyman.com plotline. It misrepresents what happened and actually makes Josh (Sorkin) look better than he should. There were two separate Sorkin blow-ups on these boards. The first one where he came in and attacked Rick Cleveland and the second one where he came in and attacked deborah and other posters. It was after "Night Five" aired and there was a lot of intense discussion about the sexual harrassment storyline. It had been an ongoing complaint with some posters and we even had a thread dedicated to what some perceived as the subtle sexism on the show. Sorkin had responded to some of these complaints before he stopped posting (after the Rick Cleveland episode) and a lot of what you saw in "Night Five" was similar to our discussion. This was also the episode that had Toby declaring "They'll like us when we win." which also brought about a lot of complaints about what some perceived as Sorkin's inability to grasp the Muslim/Middle East problems. So, yeah, we were having a lively discussion and there was definitely a good portion of people who strongly disagreed with the way sexual harrassment in the workplace and the nuances of solving the problems in the Middle East had been handled.

Enter benjamin. His post, had it been posted by any other poster, would have probably gotten him banned. It suggested that one poster should probably walk away from his computer/t.v. set and get outside more. It told deborah there were hundreds of other things to do at 9:00 p.m. on a Wednesday night and perhaps she consider doing them. It took to task people who couldn't see why he was not sexist. (For the record: no one was calling Sorkin sexist, just that there were some problems with the way certain situations and certain female characters were written).

When posters came to the defense of the people Sorkin went after, he backed down, apologizing. He had never really embraced the adage of "think twice, post once." But the fact is, that first post was actually kind of nasty, in parts. So, I guess, if you're going to call someone a muu-muu wearing, chain-smoking dictator, perhaps you should portray your alter-ego as something other than a hapless fool who didn't really understand the crazy bee-hive he had wandered into. That's the part the bugs me about that storyline, how Josh/Sorkin appears to be a passive victim, when in reality, Sorkin was as responsible for the craziness that rained down upon him as anyone else.

I didn't mind him poking fun at the posters. The truth is, we all do step over the line into obsessive/crazy/anal about minutae and it's mockworthy behavior when we do. But deborah was always very respectful of Sorkin and gave him a lot of leeway when he posted, letting him break rules that no one else could so that we could have the benefit of his posts. So it made me angry when he attacked her for, as far as I could see, the fact that she wasn't gushing over the mediocrity that was Season 3.

And, as far as I know, deborah has never publically commented on how she was portrayed in that episode. She didn't recap that episode and she didn't comment on the episode when it aired. What she said to Professor Frink in the privacy of her own home, I can only guess.

UPDATE II: 8/1/07, this is one of my most popular posts and I wanted to add that, at the time I wrote it I really thought Aaron Sorkin might have learned something about not writing personal grudges into his scripts. I thought maybe he had learned to "think twice, write once," especially about something that would one day be sold on DVDs.

Boy was I wrong! In Aaron Sorkin's follow up show, Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip, I don't think I've ever seen a network television series—not just a line or a character or even one subplot on a episode—but an entire series, more dedicated to settling personal scores.

Televisionwithoutpity has a pretty funny breakdown of all the characters on Studio 60 and who they are in real life to Sorkin. The website's recaps also spell out pretty effectively which part of Sorkin's personal history is his writing in which episode.

However I was suprised that Sorkin even seemed to drege up the old tiff with Rick Cleveland by having a character called "Ricky Tahoe" (See Cleveland is a city and Tahoe is a city...isn't Aaron clever?) who happens to be a hack writer who isn't as talented as his boss, the Aaron Sorkin-stand in, Matt Albie.

In anycase what little I wrote about Studio 60 is here and here.

UPDATE: 11/29/07 Thanks to ww_renaissance you can now read for yourself the full text of Aaron Sorkin's exchange with Rick Cleveland on Twop. She has more on her site.

Post #1

mijorty, You got it wrong. It's understandable, but you got it wrong. On most TV staffs, stories are pitched, broken and outlined by a group, then assigned to the various writers on the staff, then polished by the show runner. That's not the way it works here. I write the scripts with the enormous help of a staff that provides research and kicks ideas around with me as well. It's like a new play being written every week. They work really hard and do a great job and they're all going to write their own scripts one day, so by way of a gratuity, I give them each a Story by credit on a rotating basis. That credit comes with money.

That said, they're paid as if they were writing scripts (and some of them have producer titles as well--simply based on what they were getting at their last job.) We're under a tremendous budget crunch here. I know it seems, with the success of the show, like we should have all the money in the world, but it doesn't work like that. People were let go in all departments; grips, gaffers, props, hair and make-up, set dressing, post-production ... And the cases of a few writers (whom I'm very fond of) their contracts called for them to get bumps which would have been very difficult to justify given their job descriptions. Their contracts also give us the option to not pick up their option, which Tommy, John and I didn't want to do given their loyal service to the show and our personal friendships with them. So we asked them if they'd be willing to stay on at their current salaries, supplemented by the money they'd get from story credits. In no way a violation of the Writers' Guild contract, in spirit or otherwise. John, I assure you, would never do that.

The two who left are both gainfully employed on other shows. In fact there was a bidding war over their services. Those who stayed seem very happy they did.

All of this was explained by any number of people to Bernie Weinraub at the New York Times. Bernie Weinraub, it would seem, is very casual about the truth.

Finally, on a vain and selfish note: In the first season, I was doing both The West Wing and Sports Night at the same time and I wanted to try seeing if The West Wing could run like a normal TV show. I gave a staffer named Rick Cleveland a script assignment. He wrote a script called "A White House Christmas" wherein the First Lady's cat trips a Secret Service alarm. I can't much else except mention was made of a business card found in an old coat of Toby's that he'd donated to Good Will. I threw out Rick's script and wrote "In Excelces Deo." Because Rick had worked for months on his, I gave him, rather than a Story by credit, a co-written by credit and put his name ahead of mine. For my script, he received a Humanitas nomination, an Emmy Award and a Writers' Guild Award. Every Emmy nominee gets a letter from Don Mischer, the producer of the telecast, very clearly saying that only one person is allowed to speak when accepting. After that person is done, the orchestra will play you off. Rick could'ce done the St. Crispin's Day speech that night for I cared. It wasn't my call.

This, too, was explained to Bernie.

At the end of the first season, Rick was fired. Not by me and for economic reasons. It was by John Wells and it was for lack of performance. He was then hired by Gideon's Crossing, where he was fired by Paul Attanassio for the same reason. - Aaron "Benjamin" Sorkin

Posted at mightybigtv.com Forum
by Aaron "Benjamin" Sorkin
June 26, 2001

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Post #2

Hey, Gang. Rick Cleveland here. First off, for anyone who's interested, my draft of the script -- I wrote three -- is available in the WGA archive. I'm pretty sure anyone who stops by can read it -- if not I'd be glad to make it available. It's called "A White House Christmas." Benjamin got that much right. The "A" story is mine -- not just the idea -- all the way down to the name of the homeless Korean War veteran, Walter Huffnagel. Even Toby's visit to his brother, although I didn't make him retarded -- Aaron did. Other stuff is also mine -- the new millennium stuff in the teaser, as well as the stuff about CJ's secret service nickname -- which was my wife's idea, yes. Aaron's a great writer, and he did a great job rewriting the script -- but he didn't write it alone. And he didn't "give" me a Written by credit -- and what galled me on Emmy night wasn't that he didn't let me speak -- it was that he ignored me completely. For the record, the writing credit on the script was indeed arbitrated by the WGA -- they decided my work warranted a Co-Writer credit on the teleplay. Also, for the record, every script written the show's first year by staff members was automatically submitted for arbitration -- at the request of John Wells -- as a measure of protection for us -- to keep Aaron from poaching or cannibalizing scripts to the point where he wouldn't have to give credit where credit was/is due. As for being fired for lack of performance, that's also not true -- at least as far as I know. The fact that Aaron, John and Tommy submitted the script that I co-wrote for Emmy, Humanitas and WGA Award consideration validates my contribution to the show -- at least I'd like to think it does. Also, I didn't get fired off "Gideon's Crossing." In closing, I'm very proud to inform you all that I'm currently working on "Six Feet Under." It's a great show, you should check it out. - Rick Cleveland

Posted at mightybigtv.com Forum
by Rick Cleveland
July 6, 2001

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Post #3

Boy, I'd kinda like to end this. So Rick? If you're out there...?

I and everyone else appreciate the contribution you made to the episode. It was crucial. I was dead wrong to imply otherwise. I deeply regret not having thanked you that night. It was nothing more than nerves. As for your not being allowed to speak, I'm sorry about that too and I wish you'd been able to, but that wasn't my call, it was the decision of Don Mischer. I thanked those involved with the pilot (really not just the pilot, but the production of the series in general) because I wasn't just the co-writer of that episode, I was also the creator and executive producer of the series, and I had no way of knowing if we'd be back up there again that night.

You wrote what I felt was an unduly nasty piece in the Writers' Guild magazine, and after I read it, I called you and I apologized. I then made arrangements for you not only to speak when accepting the Writers' Guild Award, but for you to have the entire stage to yourself that night.

The whole unfortunate incident was dragged out once again when Bernie Weinraub wrote his piece in the New York Times. I reacted too quickly to what I felt was an egregiously unfair characterization of the way writers are treated on The West Wing. Further, I'm remarkably and stupidly naive about the internet, and never imagined my response to a poster would be picked up by Slate or anyone else. The episode we did together remains one of the proudest moments of this series and of my career. I enjoyed every day of the year we worked together.

Six Feet Under is a wonderful show, I'm sure you're proud of it. I wish you nothing less than what you deserve: Health, Happiness and another Emmy.

Aaron Sorkin

Posted at mightybigtv.com Forum
by Aaron "Benjamin" Sorkin
July 8, 2001

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Post #4

Aaron,

Thank you for being such a mensch about putting what I hope will be a dignified end to this mess. The year I spent working with you on the show -- and on our episode -- remains one of the proudest experiences of my career as well. And just so you know, I never spoke with Weinraub or anyone else at the Times, nor would I have felt the need to. I hope you guys sweep the Emmy Awards once again this year. And best of luck with the third season...

Best wishes,
Rick C. - Rick Cleveland

Posted at mightybigtv.com Forum
by Rick Cleveland
July 8, 2001